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BJ_Richardson
02-09-2009, 08:11 AM
With President Barack Obama stating that his "urban agenda" includes reimposing the former federal ban on "assault weapons" and "large" magazines, it's out-of-date to refer to that law as it was known at the time--the Clinton Gun Ban.

On second thought, maybe not just yet.

In January, speaking at a meeting of the anti-gun U.S. Conference of Mayors, former president Bill Clinton took credit for the old ban, praised the Brady Campaign for continuing to lobby Congress for a new ban, and suggested that the mood in Washington might be more favorable toward a ban now than it had been during the last eight years.

Here's what Mr. Clinton had to say:

"[W]e will not go forward anymore, I don't think, with the kind of politics of division and destruction that drug us down for too long. That's essentially what is different, and what creates this great moment of opportunity . . . . to have conversations with people, instead of screaming matches, over things like what former Mayor [now Brady Campaign president Paul] Helmke works on so much—over what is the best way to keep the American people safe. Nobody wants to repeal the Second Amendment, and nobody wants to keep you out of the deer woods, but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?"

After the mayors' reflexive applause receded, Clinton continued, this time speaking more broadly than in reference to gun control alone. "[W]e're now in a position to begin again," he said. "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement." Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."

Mr. Clinton did not treat the mayors to a longwinded explanation of the communitarian ideal, nor did he explain that the Brady Campaign no longer advocates merely the reimposition of the Clinton-era ban. Instead, like the Violence Policy Center and Legal Community Against Violence, Brady advocates a much broader federal ban, such as California's or the one proposed by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), which would ban guns made to comply with the 1994 ban (by omitting one or more attachments, such as a flash suppressor), all semi-automatic shotguns, the Ruger Mini-14, the .30 Carbine, the M1 Garand, and other categories of guns and gun parts not affected by the 1994 ban.

Mr. Clinton also praised President Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State, a position in which Mrs. Clinton could lend support to international efforts to impose gun prohibitions domestically.
It's going to be an interesting four years, to say the least.

I'm going to blow my lid, how in the hell do people not see what they want to do here? A "Communitarian Network" s nothing more than socialism. These dumb ***** think we live in a democracy! :mad:

Captain Colon
02-09-2009, 08:52 AM
but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?"
I've never lived anyplace where that was a problem :confused:

BJ_Richardson
02-09-2009, 08:58 AM
If I did I would move!

It has nothing to do with saving lives, if it did they would read the FBI statisics that prove gun control doesn't curb crime. Hell just take a look around DC!

It is all about power.

Captain Colon
02-09-2009, 01:56 PM
But it curbs GUN crime! Who cares if they just use other weapons, at least we've got those nasty GUNS off our streets! I'm more than willing to put up with increased numbers of robberies and home invasions as long as my child doesn't have to worry about being mowed-down by a pistol-grip assault weapon optimized for firing from the hip so it's level with our children's heads!

Oh man, that pistol grip thing always makes me laugh...you'd think that just by looking at it you could see that a pistol grip is the most uncomfortable thing possible to fire from the hip.


And seriously...the Garand being banned by name? I'm guessing it's a "high-power sniper rifle designed to penetrate police body armor" :confused:

BJ_Richardson
02-09-2009, 02:01 PM
:grin:

the built for firing at the hip is my favorite argument, why does are military even bother training using sights, spend millions on Acogs or Eotechs since you are better off shooting from the hip? Hell why do my AR's even have sights?

Captain Colon
02-09-2009, 05:27 PM
It's a little-known secret...if you fire from the hip it actually activates a tracking device in your ammunition that causes it to seek out small children and cute animals. The military obviously can't use this feature cause it would make them look bad if they killed everyone EXCEPT the enemy.

XXXJ
02-09-2009, 10:37 PM
Man, I hunt by shooting from the hip!!!

DakotaDude
02-09-2009, 10:59 PM
yall have no idea . I'm an ex felon did something stupid after i got out of the army i cannot own a trigger operated mechanism as my lawter tells me I would love to hunt .I love guns and have never committed a violent crime i would understand if i robbed a liquer store .I am now a law biding citizen but i couldnt even vote to amend this law to change who can have guns and who cant cause the right to vote was also taken from me

BJ_Richardson
02-09-2009, 11:06 PM
could you bow hunt?

DakotaDude
02-09-2009, 11:29 PM
yes but i would much rather shoot something not to mintion im not any good with a bow

C.j.
02-10-2009, 08:23 AM
Man, I hunt by shooting from the hip!!!


Yeah but you cant kill anything with that small of a gun:grin:

Captain Colon
02-10-2009, 03:23 PM
kelso
yall have no idea . I'm an ex felon did something stupid after i got out of the army i cannot own a trigger operated mechanism as my lawter tells me I would love to hunt .I love guns and have never committed a violent crime i would understand if i robbed a liquer store .I am now a law biding citizen but i couldnt even vote to amend this law to change who can have guns and who cant cause the right to vote was also taken from me
I thought it was only violent felonies that prevented you from owning a gun?

Tweeder
02-10-2009, 04:07 PM
I thought it was only violent felonies that prevented you from owning a gun?

ANY felonies.......and even some misdemeanors.

BJ_Richardson
02-10-2009, 04:29 PM
Have you tried for a pardon? I know a guy that got busted at 19 for felony B&E (drunk and broke into a deserted building). He got a pardon last year (7 years later) with a few reference letters from teachers, employers, preacher.

Good guy, just made a stupid decision :grin:

Depends on what you did, and what you have done since then, but it is an option for a slim majority.