Lightnin's YJ Build

[Lightnin]

Picked up the yj's from Darin. So I am going to start putting together a trail rig. Was going to be street legal but since the wife went to superlift with me for the first time and wheeled. She wants a dedicated trail rig now. Awesome. lol Few pics of all the pieces.

Black body has the Seats, Dash and misc stuff

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/808214/fullsize/100_5240.jpg

Red Tub will be the good body.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/808215/fullsize/100_5237.jpg

White Burned rig is supplying the 4.0 H.O., Ax15 and NP231.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/808217/fullsize/100_5239.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/808216/fullsize/100_5238.jpg

Have a frame in the garage. Going to start with it. Get it wire wheeled and painted.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/808219/fullsize/100_5236.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/808220/fullsize/100_5234.jpg

Going to start with the frame. Once it is ready I am going to put in the motor, trans, and tcase. Then I am going to move on to the axles. I am going Full Width D44HD Swapped to 5 lug Front and a 9" Rear SOA. Somewhere around 5.13 gears. I will probably comp cut the rear if I can find some stock XJ leafs and stretch the rear before I get some drive shafts. I have bought a cage to go in it. That is the plan for right now.

[78-79 FordMan]

looks like a good start. if it was a just a dodge or a ford or a chevy. hahahahhhahaah







just jack'in with ya:evil:

[Tweeder]

Somewhere around 5.13 gears. ...if I can find some stock XJ leafs and stretch the rear...

5.38s is the only way to go.

and don't forget an anti-wrap bar wit dem cherocar springs. yer gunna need it.

[Lightnin]

5.38s is the only way to go.

and don't forget an anti-wrap bar wit dem cherocar springs. yer gunna need it.

I couldn't find 5.38 for the 9" on 4ws.com they had like 5.29 and 5.43 which I don't think is close enough. Do I need a antiwrap bar if I go with the 7" long leaf perch.

Btw I am a noob so if you see something wrong or have a idea let me know. Always willing to learn.

[78-79 FordMan]

I couldn't find 5.38 for the 9" on 4ws.com they had like 5.29 and 5.43 which I don't think is close enough. Do I need a antiwrap bar if I go with the 7" long leaf perch.

Btw I am a noob so if you see something wrong or have a idea let me know. Always willing to learn.

that's all i can find to . i thought about lower then the 5.13's to but like u said i don't think there close enough

[Tweeder]

5.43s are close enough. i think they say that if you're within .05 or .06, yer G2G. and yes, you need the anti-wrap bar.

[78-79 FordMan]

im going to ask before i order . and if so im got to go with them lower gears my self. if they fit with out much trimming.

[ElkyRacer]

5.43s work. Been done many times. And you can use a 12in spring perch and still need to get a anti wrap bar. Those XJ springs are slinky to begin with, then flip them around and run them the way they arent supposed to run, and they get slinky-er. Ive got a stock spring pack in the back yard. Not sure when you will need it, but Ill bring them to the park the next time I go. Not sure when that will be tho.

[Lightnin]

Sounds good Kyle. Let me know how much. It is going to be a while before I need them. So your next trip up would be fine. I will look into a antiwrap bar. I am guessing a v shape with a gusset in the middle and a bushing at each point.

[TURNEROFFROAD]

Your anit-wrap needs a shackle at the top as well.... good luck on the build

[Lightnin]

Your anit-wrap needs a shackle at the top as well.... good luck on the build

Thanks Ty. Can you explain why I need a shackle. I was thinking it is like a control arm on a front axle. They don't have a shackle

[TURNEROFFROAD]

Because you shackle on the rear springs would cause bind and limit travel, it allows you suspension to work..... Here's a pic of the one on the "Rental" I don't think I have a pic of the front... But it's setup just like a leaf spring shackle....

[Lightnin]

I understand now Ty. I was thinking the shackle on the front would move forward and still allow the spring to wrap. Now that I saw a pic of a setup it makes sence how it works.

[TURNEROFFROAD]

Good deal, glad to help....

[Lightnin]

Like in this link here.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Anti_wrap_bar/antiwrapbar.htm

[TURNEROFFROAD]

10-4

[Jeepnube]

If ya need a hand with anything, gimme a holler, and at least a days notice!:vrolijk_26:

[Lightnin]

There are going to be plenty of wrenchin parties here I am sure. lol I am going to try and have plenty of parts on hand so if I have a wrenchin party there will be plenty to do.

[Lightnin]

Haven't made really any progress but I have been getting pieces. Picked up a cage, D70b and D44HD with Flat Top knuckles.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/810905/fullsize/yj-cage.jpg

Picked up a D70b in trade. I am unsure about being able to use it and have a few questions before the decision to get a different rear axle. The BOM number is 603384. I have researched the best i could and came up with. 603384 - 70 - Rear - 1972½-75 F-350 1-Ton Pickup, Dual Wheel & Other - 1 Piece Case. Dual wheel and other? Best I can tell the WMS is ~65" which is about 2" narrower than the D44 front I got with it. Is it a dually axle. Are the 70B axle housings the same just the single rear wheel hub and brakes different than the dually hubs and brakes or do they not interchange like the front axle DRW and SRW Hubs. If I can get a rear disc kit for it I believe it will be fine. I have heard some disc kits not working with dually axles. If someone has some insight please let me know. On the plus side the spring perches are the same width as the YJ leafs.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/811296/fullsize/100_5422.jpg

[jeependude]

Ditch the rear drums, buy the weld on disc brackets from Speedway Motors, Calipers from a 78 GM PU, Rotors from a 78 GM 3/4 ton PU add some brake hoses and your kit is done...about $150 in parts and 300lbs lighter. You will have to put the rotors on the inside of the wheel hubs.

[Lightnin]

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Garage-Sale-Wilwood-Mopar-Dana-Rear-Caliper-Brackets,43112.html

This? Doesn't say d70 and I don't see any others there

[spatown]

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/disc-brake-adapters-c-9.html?osCsid=6f38bce4f19776433131197824e506ed Check this site out. Tony:thumbsup:

[SUPERD]

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/GM-Weld-On-Flat-Mount-Standard-Caliper-Brackets,3348.html
no this one:thumbsup:

[Lightnin]

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/GM-Weld-On-Flat-Mount-Standard-Caliper-Brackets,3348.html
no this one:thumbsup:

I may have to call. Being a drw they may not work. Thanks for the help.

[SUPERD]

they will work, just got to weld em in the right spot:beer:

[jeependude]

I may have to call. Being a drw they may not work. Thanks for the help.

I told you how to doit, it will work...But what do i know...Ive done it. I just passed it on to you, If you want me to do it, buy the parts and pay me. I gave you the knowledge but I ain't giving away any labor

[Lightnin]

I told you how to doit, it will work...But what do i know...Ive done it. I just passed it on to you, If you want me to do it, buy the parts and pay me. I gave you the knowledge but I ain't giving away any labor

I gotcha darin. Just wanting to be sure I was going to be buying the right thing.

[jeependude]

Here is a link for you to read how to do it http://www.virginia4x4.com/weld%20on%20brackets.html
And a picture to look at http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/zoomify.asp?catalogid=1439&img=assets/images/14bcaliperd.JPG

[Lightnin]

The bracket welds on the spindle side of the backing plate flange. I was thinking it welded to the axle tube. So go with the brackets superd linked to. Metric or standard. Or buy the ones from Virginia 4x4

[jeependude]

The bracket welds on the spindle side of the backing plate flange. I was thinking it welded to the axle tube. So go with the brackets superd linked to. Metric or standard. Or buy the ones from Virginia 4x4

Standard, everyone makes the brackets...Speedway Cheapest (5/16) http://www.speedwaymotors.com/GM-Weld-On-Flat-Mount-Standard-Caliper-Brackets,3348.htmlBallistic fabrication makes some good ones (thick 3/8). I would probably go with the Ballistic now that they make them http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Weld-on-Dana-70-caliper-brackets_p_1439.html and your only paying like $18 more and getting a rock part and not a street part but they will all work the same.

[Lightnin]

Thanks darin. Have the link saves and the backets and brake stuff on the list. Working on a set of xj leafs to stretch the rear antiwrap bar and a few other things for the rear.

[jeependude]

Thanks darin. Have the link saves and the backets and brake stuff on the list. Working on a set of xj leafs to stretch the rear antiwrap bar and a few other things for the rear.

I got a set of Xj leafs too. Balistic or Ruff Stuff specialist sells the anti-wrap kits

[Lightnin]

Lol j should have wrote free set of xj leafs. I should have guessed you had xj leafs you have everything else lol

[jeependude]

When you come get the steering column, get the springs and we make it a even $100.

[Lightnin]

Few pics of the D44hd.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/811413/fullsize/100_5431.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/811414/fullsize/100_5428.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/811415/fullsize/100_5429.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/811416/fullsize/100_5430.jpg

Looking at it I think darin is right. The part of the knuckle where the steering goes in looks higer up than the normal knuckles. Should I leave it where it is at, Flip it on top of the knuckle, or get the driverside arm and put it all the way up. The passanger side high steer arm has what looks like a huge spacer. is that normal. Looking at going with full hydra steering..

[jeependude]

The spacer is not normal/needed for all. But you do have the knuckles I was talking about, you can possibly get away with flipping to the top and not using arms.

[Jordan7118]

Unless you really know what you're doing, I'd recommend hydro assist. I dunno how hard that is for a YJ/CJ/TJ crowd, but tapping a Toyota box is easy peezy.

[SUPERD]

It's pretty simple too, full hydro sux because no motor-no steer= 1 hard to move POS!

[Tweeder]

It's pretty simple too, full hydro sux because no motor-no steer= 1 hard to move POS!

my YJ won't steer for schitt without power, either.....even on smooth ground. personally, i'd go full-hydro. I could drop my junk another inch or so (or go with real hi-steer) on full hydro.